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MesajSubiect: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 18:36

Ciao tuturor,

Un nou incident legat de o aeronava Malaysian.

IN continuare cateva informatii:

Un avion de pasageri al unei companii malaeziene s-a prabusit in Ucraina, in apropiere de granita cu Rusia, anunta Reuters, citand agentia rusa Interfax, care la randul sau citeaza surse din industria aviatica.

Ora 18:30 UPDATE Agentia Interfax, preluata de Reuters, afirma ca avionul ar fi fost "doborat" la o altitudine de 10.000 de metri deasupra estului Ucrainei

Potrivit surselor citate de agentia Interfax, un avion Boeing 777 apartinand unei companii din Malaezia s-a prabusit pe teritoriul ucrainean, la aproximativ 60 de kilometri inainte de intra in spatiul aerian rus.

Aeronava efectua un zbor de la Amsterdam la Kuala Lumpur, iar la bordul acesteia s-ar fi aflat 280 de pasageri si 15 membri ai echipajului, potrivit surselor.

Potrivit Interfax Rusia, o sursa ucraineana a confirmat prabusirea unui "Boeing" malaezian in regiunea Donetsk.


Inregistrarea aeronavei este 9M-MRD, B777-200. Aici si un trace al zborului: http://it.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 18:51

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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 19:25

Spatiu aerian inchis. SIA305 a fost primul care a deviat pentru a evita zona.
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 19:37

NOTAM:

EGXX/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/5552N00617W999
FROM: 14/06/30 17:01C) TO: 14/08/01 00:01
POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION UKRAINE AIRSPACE, PARTICULARLY OVER
CRIMEA, THE BLACK SEA, AND THE SEA OF AZOV.
DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICTING AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC)
INSTRUCTIONS FROM UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES AND FOR THE
RELATED POTENTIAL MISIDENTIFICATION OF CIVIL AIRCRAFT, UK AIRCRAFT
OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, THE
AIRSPACE OVER CRIMEA, THE BLACK SEA, AND THE SEA OF AZOV, WITHIN THE
FOLLOWING LATERAL LIMITS:
454500N 0345800E-460900N 0360000E-460000N 0370000E-452700N 0364100E-
452242N 0364100E-451824N 0363524E-451442N 0363542E-451218N 0363200E-
450418N 0363418E-445600N 0363700E-443100N 0364000E-424400N 0361600E-
424700N 0340000E-424800N 0304500E-434100N 0303200E-441500N 0302400E-
444600N 0300900E-455400N 0322500E-454900N 0324700E-455400N 0330600E-
455600N 0332700E-455900N 0332900E-THEN ALONG THE CRIMEA BORDER TO
454500N 0345800E.
UNILATERAL ACTION TO ESTABLISH A NEW SIMFEROPOL (URFV) FIR THAT
INCLUDES BOTH UKRAINIAN SOVEREIGN AIRSPACE OVER THE CRIMEAN
PENINSULA AND INTERNATIONAL HIGH SEAS AIRSPACE MANAGED NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY UKRAINE
CONTRADICTS INTERNATIONAL LAW AND ICAO ANNEX 11 STANDARDS.
UKRAINE NOTAM A0528/14, PUBLISHED 28 MAR 20:14 2014, REJECTS NOTAM
A0907/14 PUBLISHED NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. UKRAINE CONTINUES TO
PROVIDE AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES (ATS) IN THE AIRSPACE DESCRIBED IN THE
PARAGRAPH ABOVE AND RUSSIA IS ALSO PROVIDING ATS IN THAT AIRSPACE.
FURTHERMORE, UKRAINE NOTAM A0520/14, PUBLISHED 28 MAR 16:59 2014,
CREATES A PROHIBITED AREA OVER THE CRIMEAN PENINSULA FOR OPERATIONS
BELOW FL290, AND UKRAINE NOTAMS A0524/14 AND A0569/14 CLOSE VARIOUS
ATS ROUTE SEGMENTS. RUSSIAN FEDERATION NOTAM A0912/14 REJECTS AND
DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH UKRAINE NOTAMS A0520/14 AND A0524/14.
CONSEQUENTLY, THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR CIVIL AIRCRAFT TO RECEIVE
CONFUSING AND CONFLICTING ATC INSTRUCTIONS WHILE OPERATING IN THE
DISPUTED AIRSPACE.
OPERATIONS ARE NORMAL IN ALL OTHER UKRAINE FIRS. HOWEVER, UK
OPERATORS FLYING INTO, OUT OF, OR WITHIN LVOV (UKLV), KYIV
(UKBV), DNEPTROPETROVSK (UKDV), AND ODESSA (UKOV) FIRS, AS WELL AS
AIRSPACE IN THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FIR THAT IS OUTSIDE THE LATERAL
LIMITS OF THE AIRSPACE OVER CRIMEA, THE BLACK SEA, AND THE SEA OF
AZOV DESCRIBED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THIS NOTAM, SHOULD REVIEW
CURRENT SECURITY/THREAT INFORMATION AND NOTAMS
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 20:24

Era inchis si inainte de a fi doborat, inchsi intre FL200 si 320..... asta era la 330!
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 20:32

Motoarele erau oprite:

http://avherald.com/h?article=47770f9d&opt=0

Am mai vazut undeva o poza cu celalalt motor dar din pacate nu o mai gasesc......
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 20:45

mario antonio a scris:
NOTAM:


Daca avherald are coordonatele corecte ale pozitiei de unde s-a pierdut legatura cu transponderul (marker-ul MH17 din imagine), acestea nu se afla in zona definita de NOTAM-ul de mai sus (conturul rosu din imagine).
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 21:22

Liviu, din ce am citit eu era instituit un NOTAM dar sub 320......
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 21:58

Pe acolo prin zona exista multe zone restrictionate pe diferite niveluri de zbor (FL140-FL180, FL210-FL260, etc).
Dar parca n-am vazut nicio restrictie peste FL260.

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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 23:06

Sunt informatii si nu ii garantat ca sunt exacte.... oricum, daca acesti teroristi jegosi (indiferent daca este sau nu legitim ce fac ei acolo actiunile lor nu pot fi numite altfel decat teroriste) nu sunt implicati in prabusire de ce nu lasa pe nimeni sa caute si sa gaseasca! Daca nu esti vinovat faci acte de clementa, daca ai ceva de ascuns incerci sa procedezi pe principiul "caca`n drum sim fuge`n tufe"
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Joi 17 Iul 2014, 23:07

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m_mrd_donetsk_140717_5.jpg motorul ala nu functiona in momentul impactului, daca ar fi functionat palele ar fi fost rupte si nu intregi asa cum sunt la asta!
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Vin 18 Iul 2014, 01:51

In ceea ce priveste nivelul de zbor:

MH17 was operating above closed airspace: Eurocontrol

By: DAVID KAMINSKI-MORROW
LONDON

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 had been operating 1,000ft above the upper limit of closed airspace at the time of its disappearance over eastern Ukraine.Pan-European air navigation service Eurocontrol states that the aircraft was flying at 33,000ft when radar contact was lost.It states that the route had been closed by Ukrainian authorities up to 32,000ft.But the route was "open at the level at which [MH17] was flying", says Eurocontrol.In the wake of the loss of the Boeing 777-200ER, apparently with no survivors, the Ukrainian authorities have extended the restrictions within the Dnipropetrovsk flight information region, the airspace in which the jet was travelling.Eurocontrol says the upper airspace closure limit has been withdrawn and that this closes all routes in the Dnipropetrovsk airspace."All flight plans that are filed using these routes are now being rejected," says Eurocontrol. "The routes will remain closed until further notice."European authorities have activated their aviation crisis co-ordination cell in response to the 777crash and the airspace closure."We call for an immediate and thorough investigation into the causes of the crash," says European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso. "The facts and responsibilities need to be established as quickly as possible."NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen says: "Much is unclear about the circumstances of the crash. However, the instability in the region, caused by Russian-backed separatists, has created an increasingly dangerous situation."It is important that a full international investigation should be launched immediately, without any hindrance, to establish the facts and that those who may be responsible are swiftly brought to justice."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mh17-was-operating-above-closed-airspace-eurocontrol-401742/
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MesajSubiect: Re: Accident zbor Malaysian MH17 Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur   Vin 18 Iul 2014, 09:29

Pentru cei care iubesc teoria conspiratiei:

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28411,9M-MRD-Malaysia-Airlines.php

Airframe Details
Construction Number (MSN) 28411
Line Number 84
Aircraft Type Boeing 777-2H6(ER)
First Flight 17. Jul 1997
Age 17 Years
Airframe Status Written Off 17 Jul 2014
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MesajSubiect: MH370   Vin 31 Iul 2015, 14:38

S-a gasit un segment de flaps pe Insula Reunion din Oceanul Indian. Acest fragment de 2 m lungime, gasit miercuri pe o plaja din estul insulei a fost expediat in Franta pentru determinari.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6462442
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