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MesajSubiect: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 01 Oct 2010, 14:54

Titlu: Rossiya slams An-148 reliability
Sursa: Flightglobal
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Data: 01.10.2010


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Russian state airline GTK Rossiya, the only current user of the Antonov An-148 regional airliner, has criticised the aircraft's reliability as unacceptable and listed a string of problems including door locks, engine and APU failures.

The reliability of the An-148 cannot guarantee a sufficient level of in-flight safety, Rossiya said in a Moscow presentation on the programme.

The airline has been using the aircraft since June. In the three months to September, including aircrew training flights, the company's five An-148 aircraft flew 1,725h with Rossiya. In that time, 235 problems occurred, requiring over 2,000 man-hours of repair work.

In one 92-day period, one aircraft was unfit to fly for 89 days, Rossiya says.

Rossiya says incidence of technical failure in its fleet occurred once every 344h in the An-148, every 5,355h in its Airbuses, and 2,824h in its Boeing 737s.

The airline listed five incidents in three months with the An-148's undercarriage, electrical supply system and its flight control system, which has caused particular problems with 31 failures in the three-month period.

Rossiya claims that remedial work to fix the aircraft did not improve reliability. In the three-month period, the aircraft had removed one Ivchenko-Progress D-436-148 turbofan and two AI-450 APUs. The airline says the aircraft requires 3.8 times more man-hours of Class A maintenance than its 50 hour specified amount.

Ilyushin Finance, which markets the aircraft, says the issues with the aircraft are normal problems for a new design: "In the process of use, these teething problems will be wrinkled out, but this takes a little time and we would hope that the manufacturer will promptly work out these issues as they arise, as there is a big demand for this aircraft."

Rossiya has called for establishment of a working after-sales care service for the aircraft by Antonov's parent, Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

The airline's complaints come just days after another client for the aircraft, Atlant-Soyuz, said it was considering buying the Sukhoi Superjet instead of the An-148s it has on order.

UAC said on September 24 it will invest an additional $232 million in development and production of the An-148 at its Irkut subsidiary.

Last month, it was decided that Irkut would take over management of the An-148 programme from Ilyushin Finance.
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 01 Oct 2010, 19:18

fara a supara pe membri forumului.... dar An-148 este cel mai tare aparat de zbor facut
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 01 Oct 2010, 20:46

degeaba daca nu e fiabil si safe

cat despre concurenta cu superjet, sukhoi-ul este deja in fata la comenzi. ramane de vazut cum se va descurca operational
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 01 Oct 2010, 22:31

ionut.vasile a scris:
fara a supara pe membri forumului.... dar An-148 este cel mai tare aparat de zbor facut

din ce punct de vedere? si in comparatie cu ce?
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Sam 02 Oct 2010, 05:48

VIC a scris:

din ce punct de vedere? si in comparatie cu ce?

designe si performante(declarate) ...... ptr avioane din clasa lui
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Sam 02 Oct 2010, 12:47

are un design mai original Antonov-ul, din anumite unghiuri e absolut superb, dar ca performante nu e cu nimic in fata superjet-ului ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100

look at those numbers... , superjetul e chiar mai bun la anumite capitole

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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Mar 12 Oct 2010, 11:05

Propun redenumirea postului in : comparatii modele avioane

...si ar mai fi si 2 subiecte :

E-190 sau Bombardier CRJ900/1000 sau Sukhoi Superjet 100 ?

Un articol cu mica tenta publicitara, dar suficient cat sa deschida discutia :

Titlu: Don't count out E-Jets in Alitalia contest: Embraer
Sursa: flightglobal
Autor: Mary Kirby
Data: 11.10.2010


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Embraer sees a strong opportunity to win orders from Alitalia for the E-190, once the Italian carrier completes its assessment of the type against Bombardier's CRJ900/1000 and the Sukhoi Superjet 100.

"Alitalia is under a lot of pressure to look maybe with different eyes due to the association of the Italians with Sukhoi, but it's not a given that they will go for this solution," says Embraer executive vice-president for the airline market Paulo Cesar Silva.

"I think they will buy - at the end - the most efficient aircraft and we believe the E-Jets are the most efficient ones available out there."

Alitalia wants to replace its current fleet of 10 Bombardier CRJ900s and six Embraer E-170s. The Italian airline is to choose within weeks between the Superjet 100, CRJ900/1000 or the E-190.

"The invitation [from Alitalia indicated] that they are very keen to look at all available options, but they want to have an efficient airline and therefore they must have an efficient fleet and so I think they will do a very deep assessment on the alternatives they have in the market," says Cesar Silva.

Embraer's recent win of some key E-Jet orders underscores the market's continued attraction to the aircraft family, says the Embraer executive.

"Flybe was a very important order because Flybe is the largest operator of the [Bombardier] Q400 turboprop. They also operate the E-195. They did an assessment of the E-175 and the Q400 and they concluded that the E-175 is very efficient for the mission that they assessed. That sent a quite strong message to the market," he says.

"Another strong message is the order made by Steven Udvar-Hazy [with a letter of intent for 10 E-190s]. We're seeing a situation where there is a lot of discussion about re-engining of narrowbodies, the [Bombardier] CSeries, and aircraft coming from the Russians, the Japanese and the Chinese, and then we have a leasing company, Air Lease Corp, buying the E-190. This is also a very strong indication of the popularity and the efficiency of the E-190."

Discutia 2 : 787-9 va canibaliza 777-200ER ?

Titlu: 787-9 is looking very much like a 777-200ER
Sursa: flightglobal
Autor: Jon Ostrower
Data: 11.10.2010

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Boeing's progressive refinement of the design for the stretched -9 version of its 787 widebody is revealing a Dreamliner variant that is similar to the larger 777-200ER.

While the seating gap between the two aircraft is roughly two rows of nine-abreast seating, the two aircraft have nearly identical cabin lengths, just 59cm (23in) apart. Under the floor, the 787-9 sports a 70.5m3 (2,485ft3) identical forward cargo hold volume, while the rear hold is larger than the 777-200ER's, at 72.5m3.

Dreamliner launch customer All Nippon Airways converted 15 of its 55 787 orders to the larger -9, citing the aircraft's ability to carry about 400 passengers in a single-class domestic short-haul configuration. That layout nearly matches the 16 418-seat 777-200s that will have an average age of roughly 15 years by the time the first 787-9 is delivered to Air New Zealand in 2013.

In a long-haul configuration, United Airlines' future fleet planning for its 787-9 order, held by Continental, boasts a 20% relative trip cost improvement and 10% improvement in cost per air seat kilometre compared with the carrier's 777-200ERs.
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Mier 13 Oct 2010, 12:32

Eu zic ca SSJ-ul se claseaza peste An148 macar prin prisma faptului ca e un joint-venture est-vest. Si faptul ca o companie italiana este implicata in proiect ma face sa cred ca Alitalia va alege SSJ-ul. Stim cu totii ca economia italiana este una destul de protectionista si exista o tendinta vizibila de a prefera produsele italiene in fata altora similare sau chiar superioare dar fabricate in alte locuri.
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Joi 14 Oct 2010, 17:47

Da, ar fi regretabil, ca imagine, pentru SuperJet International (firma care asigura vanzarile) sa nu poata sa-si faca simtita mai bine prezenta pe piata italiana si, in general, pe cea europeana.

Pe de alta parte Superjet-ul nu prea se considera ca fiind un concurent pentru An-148, producatorii avand, in principiu, obiective si piete diferite pentru cele doua proiecte.
Mai degraba, pentru An-148, un concurent a fost Tu-334, iar prezentarea, in acest an, a versiunii de 100 locuri (An-158) arata destul de clar intentiile producatorilor ex-sovietici pentru perioada urmatoare.



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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 15 Oct 2010, 14:06

Tu-334 ar fi putut sa fie un competitor ptr AN-148, dar nu s-a materializat. Si nici nu o sa se mai materializeze. Probabil ca 148-ul o sa fie ultimul avion (aproape) integral rusesc. SSJ-ul ar multe multe componente din diferite tari si de la diferiti producatori. Cum e si normal de altfel.
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MesajSubiect: Re: Va face An-148 fata concurentei Superjet ?   Vin 15 Oct 2010, 15:05

Pana una alta Suhoiul are concurenti la Bombardier si Embraer :

Titlu: Bombardier, Embraer make Alitalia regional jet pitches
Sursa: Flightglobal
Autor: Mary Kirby
Data: 15.10.2010

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Having pitched presentations and flown their regional jets for Alitalia's senior executives, employees and top frequent flyers, Bombardier and Embraer are each expressing confidence that they will beat Sukhoi in the three-way contest for the carrier's next order.

Alitalia wants to replace its fleet of 10 Bombardier CRJ900s and six Embraer 170s, and is scrutinising the Bombardier CRJ900/1000, the Embraer 190 and the Sukhoi Superjet 100. All three manufacturers made their case for Alitalia's business in Rome last week.

"We got a chance to tell our story, explain the airplane, go through the key points of the economics and then fly, and the airplane showed great. The CRJ900 in [Alitalia's] current fleet is not the NextGen model. That's why it was so startling, when [Alitalia and loyalty members] came on the airplane. There were lots of 'oohs' and 'ahhs' about the bigger bins, more light and bigger windows," says Bombardier European sales vice-president Steven Aliment.

Bombardier believes it has a strong advantage over the other manufacturers by virtue of the fact that Alitalia already knows the CRJ. "We have a great commonality story that translates into economic value in terms of pilots, technicians, ramp people and spare parts. You take that and wrap it with the overall economics of the CRJ and we are by far the better economic choice," says Aliment.

He adds: "We are so much better [than the competitors] that Alitalia would have get out and find 200,000 more passengers every year to reach the level of profitability that they would reach with our aircraft."

Embraer, however, is equally confident in winning a new order from Alitalia.

"Alitalia is under a lot of pressure to look maybe with different eyes due to the association of the Italians with Sukhoi, but it's not a given that they will go for this solution," says the Brazilian airframer's executive vice-president for the airline market Paulo Cesar Silva.

"I think they will buy - at the end - the most efficient aircraft and we believe the E-Jets are the most efficient ones available."

Italy has strong links to the Superjet programme, through the participation of Alenia Aeronautica in Sukhoi's civil aircraft division and the Venice-based marketing firm for the twinjet, Superjet International.

Bombardier's Aliment says: "People forget or don't realise because we're a Canadian company just how much Italian content we have on that airplane. We do a heck of a lot of work in Italy, not only on the CRJ, but on the CSeries and on our rail transport. So we're a big part of the economic fabric of Italy as a manufacturer and a partner."

Embraer's Silva says the invitation from Alitalia indicated that "they are very keen to look at all available options, but they want to have an efficient airline and therefore they must have an efficient fleet and so I think they will do a very deep assessment on the alternatives they have in the market".

Sources in Italy suggest that the three-way demonstration opened with expectations that the Superjet would outperform its rivals on short- to medium-length high-traffic, high-value routes such as those between Milan Linate and Rome, while offering Airbus A320 comfort levels.
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